...and won't get its ass into the air for miles!! Can't compare it with western jets, like Airbus or Boeing, which have a much better and powerful climb rate after start. And, the old and terrible Kusnezov-jet-engines are sooooo loud - never will get any land- or starting rights at european airports (without much to pay for its enormous weight and loudness)!!! Here: Vaso Air starting at Antalya (southern direction) on Wed, aug, 16th, 2006, to Domodedovo / Moscow with Ilsjushin 86! H.C.J. Fisch - www.warst

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